this crazy kid fired off some people said 100 to 150 rounds in sandy hook. do we have to have these ammo magazines that are that big? is it necessary, really? >> again, the guns and the magazines are the tools of criminals. it's not -- magazines are very rapidly changed. if somebody intends to do harm, that's the root cause and that's what we're not addressing. we have limited resources. we got to make sure that any legislation that we pursue, any measures we pursue actually do not cause more harm than good and we don't even talk about the statistics of firearms used in self-defense and those statistics actually can be quite compelling. >> lars, i just want to say to you. we may disagree on this we may not. as crazy as it may be, to me so much of this is about individual behavior. and they've taken the faith and they've taken the prayers out of our school system for many, many years. so much of this, lars, is about the impact on the kids of family breakup and no one wants to talk about family breakup. ben, i think -- >> can we talk about health care? >> you